The return of Sonic the Hedgehog Neptunes!

Lookin' good?

I probably wouldn't blab about The Neptunes or Timbaland as much if any of the newer superproducers they've influenced lived up to or surpassed their talent. Fact of the matter, though, is that at this point guys like Polow da Don, Danjahandz, and The-Dream's cohorts aren't close to either of 'em in their primes, and anyone who thinks they are probably doesn't have a very discerning ear when it comes to synth-happy mainstream goodness. The hip-pop equivalent of, say, lumping DJ Premier's best production work in with lesser beats cut from the same overall cloth, and saying it's all the same "hot shit." The 'Tunes's best material transcends your typical "hot" radio pablum these days, and works as more than just party music to enjoy while smashed. It's pop art, man. Or whatever Kanye calls it.

Now I'm not gonna say this latest Clipse single "I'm Good" ranks with their best 'Tunes-helmed ditties, but mostly I'm just happy that Pharrell's proving in the Age of Gaga that it's still possible to make flashy shit that doesn't sound like FutureSex/LoveSounds for 10-year olds. Elements of the beat recall certain problems that have plagued a lot of Pharrell's recent work -- fairly thin drums and keyboards -- but what saves everything is that P's still nice with the chord changes when he actually decides to use some kind of melody in his beats. Plus the zig-zagging synth line on crack (similar to Jay-Z's "I Know") prevents things from getting too loungey, another one of those late-period Neptunes issues.

I dig the hollowed-out, desolate sound Pharrell brought to Hell Hath No Fury as much as the next guy, but truth is dude can kill that smooth glossy style just as well when he wants to. So, count me in as someone who won't necessarily mind if this is the overall vibe to expect from the Neptunes beats on the new Clipse album. 'Sides, a break from apocalyptic Clipse ain't necessarily a bad thing.

Oh, and the verses are whatever, but I'm not big on the Thornton brothers' rapping even on their best days. So I'm good.

Slept-on album of the summer: N.E.R.D.'s "Seeing Sounds"

 Shit, they're coming to turn hip hop gay! Someone call DJ Premier before it's too late

For a second there, I was starting to agree with the Pharrell haters.

Don't get me wrong -- the idea that The Neptunes are wack producers because they're Top 40 hacks or something is ridiculous. There seems to be this phobia in the hip-hop community of anything The Neptunes have produced that isn't a) the Clipse, b) minimalist like their beats for the Clipse, or c) Jay-Z's still great "I Just Wanna Love U (Give It 2 Me.)" I guess the negative attitude toward their most successful work could be attributed to their flashy style, girls liking most of their best known songs, and the fact that Phalsetto Pharrell likes to sing over their beats. Ewww I know. But I've found the idea that they're flash-in-the-pan pop producers absurd on its face for a while now. If you can pull your ears away from "Grindin'" and Hell Hath No Fury for a second, The Neptunes have plenty of awesome work on their resume, chief among 'em their overlooked N.E.R.D. pop/rock project.

But first, back to why I was starting to agree with the Pharrell phell the phuck off (my bad that was really lame, I'll stop) haters. You see, ever since Pharrell started producing by himself under the Neptunes name two or so years ago (you can tell because he's the only one who gets songwriting credits,) he's been ridiculously lazy for anyone not named Pharrell Williams, the Clipse, Jay-Z, or Lupe Fiasco...'s only truly great song "I Gotcha" (yep get mad.) Previously his phoned in third-rate keyboard wankery was confined to select cuts on Snoop Dogg and Twista albums as well as shitty singles for Ludacris and Gwen Stefani, but things looked particularly bad recently when Skateboard P went one for seven on Madonna's new album and managed to get completely murdered by a bunch of Timbaland/Justin Timberlake/Danjahandz beats that, while good, generally aren't anything the dynamic trio hasn't done better before. Not that I consider myself a Madonna fan or would be interested in an album of hers except in the case where my favorite hip-hop producers are involved, but that was really Pharrell's best opportunity to re-launch himself into the mainstream consciousness, and he didn't seem to give a shit. Then again, maybe he, well, genuinely doesn't give a shit about being a mainstream presence at this point?

The thing about Pharrell and his fellow pop-nerd-in-crime Chad Hugo is that some of their best work has flown under the radar. While I know the type of rap fans who see guys like DJ Premier, Pete Rock and RZA as the sole definition of "real hip hop" (not dissing any of 'em by the way, just that some people seem to have a tendency to write off talented producers who don't fall under their true-school template) seem to consider The Neptunes's work with the Clipse their best, probably cuz especially on Hell Hath their beats are more spare and boom bap-oriented, I personally think N.E.R.D. represents The Neptunes at their most creative. It's a project that naturally automatically alienates hardcore both hip-hop heads and "damn, they think they're better than hip hop!" anti-"elitist" types, but the fact of the matter is that using live instrumentation allows The Neptunes are able to expand on their sound in a way they can't with outside rappers. You combine an insanely intricately layered take on the Neptunes's various sounds with Pharrell's weird-ass sense of humor and you've got a winning formula. N.E.R.D. does a lot of songs that're shallow/sex-obsessed on the surface but take on the subjects in an entertaining, self-aware way that elevates them beyond, say, a disgusting "love rap" from Rick Rawls.

Which brings me to Seeing Sounds, N.E.R.D.'s latest flop/masterpiece. Based on the lead single and longest song title ever "Everyone Nose (All the Girls Standing in the Line for the Bathroom,)" which took a bit to grow on me and still isn't one of the album's best songs, I was skeptical that the album'd be any good. I mean, I'd take an experimental mess over the lame shit Pharrell's done for outside artists in the last two years, but it'd still be a mess. Thankfully though, Seeing Sounds is a good kind of mess -- it manages to be N.E.R.D.'s most stylistically varied album yet without letting its ambitions exceed its quality. It jumps from the percussion clusterfuck of "Everyone Nose" to straight-up pop on "Windows," Neptunes sheen-meets-unhinged Timbaland drums on "Spaz," jazz...ishness on "Yeah You," psychadelia on "Love Bomb..." and it's all good. Well, with a few exceptions, but I'm willing to let a few half-baked ideas slide when the rest of the album's as great as it is.

I'd imagine the principal criticism against N.E.R.D. is that Pharrell can't sing, which I gotta call bullshit on. Sure he's not exactly original, but he's got an expressive, smooth voice that works with the music here, and to me any "omigod my ears are bleeding!" response is a sign of antiAndresque purist overreaction. (Although Pharrell is definitely a better singer than a rapper, unlike Andre 3000.) Even when the guy strains his voice a little too much for his own good, as on his "youuuuu!" bit at the end of "Yeah You's" hook, you get the sense that he's aware of his limits and just kinda fucking around. The half-serious, self-aware messing around vibe makes even more sense when you consider that despite being the smoothest, most textured Pharrell beat in recent memory, the lyrics on the song are really about some crazy stalker chick. Don't worry though, I'm pretty sure any ladies will be too into the groove to tell or care.

This type of half-serious, half-fucking around atmosphere is there throughout the album, whether we're talking non-rappin'-ass rapping N.E.R.D. sidekick Shay Haley sounding hilarious delivering some of the dumbest "pickup" lines of the year on "Time for Some Action" (sample: "You know only I can smash you right. Well alright!,") Pharrell psychoanalyzing cocaine-snorting girls on "Everyone Nose," or the fact that "Love Bomb" is a let's-fuck-to-save-the-world song. Still, N.E.R.D. wouldn't be nearly as compelling if their music didn't sound as great as it does, and along with Chad Hugo's great work on new wave/alt-rock singer Kenna's Make Sure They See My Face from last year this album suggests that Pharrell and Hugo may actually be better off separate than together right now. Only three songs here are written by both Neptunes, including "Anti Matter," a grating buzzed-out synth mess that's the worst beat of theirs I've heard in a while. While they more than make up for it with "Love Bomb," the trippiest song on the album, the Pharrell-written highlights here prove that the reason he's put out a bunch of trash beats lately isn't becuase he isn't insanely talented, but because he's been a lazy motherfucker. The ridiculously frenetic "Spaz" is what should have been the album's lead single, and "You Know What" rolls along effortlessly with a sound that brings to mind a Neptune'd version of Maroon 5's "Makes Me Wonder" (don't front.) I'm not exaggerating or being contrarian when I say that his best beats here give Timbaland and Kanye's recent work a run for its money, even though Graduation is a better album through and through. Hearing the differences between Pharrell's work here and Hugo's work on the Kenna album also clarifies The Neptunes's creative specialties for production nerds like me -- Pharrell's beats are more pop/funk-based, while Hugo's the weird space-age synth nerd. Well, you also get more minimalist percussion-heavy Pharrell stuff sometimes as with his work for the Clipse, but I prefer when there's a little more going on with his beats.

While it's not surprising considering "Everyone Nose" has no crossover appeal, it's kinda disappointing that this album bombed when I dunno if I see Pharrell hitting another creative peak like this before the year's over. My prediction: Common's gonna eventually put out Invincible Summer/Autumn/Winter, it's gonna have a bunch of wack-ass Pharrell-in-his-sleep beats, people're gonna rightfully shit on it (though some may try to spare infallible saint Common from criticism...I mean it's not like he chooses his beats or anything,) and the poor multimillionaire'll remain a misunderstood genius. But maybe he wants it to be that way. Who knows though, maybe something cool'll come out of that CRS Kanye/Pharrell/Lupista collaborative group. In the meantime, while I know a lot of bloggers are caught up in the Great Hipster (?) Rap Rise of '08, Lil Wayne and Pharrell are the dudes holding it down for weirdcoolness right now. Believe it.

Wait a minute...your favorite producer's a phony! A great big phony!

Dude all this guy does is sample trip hop, Middle Eastern songs and videogames. Oh and baby sounds, seriously what kind of sick fuck does that.

Word to that one Family Guy episode. My bad if I messed the quote up.

Recently I made a very intriguing find that sparked this idea for a blog post. Originally I had a detailed defense of Dwayne Carter lined up, and while it's finished and my logic on it's pretty much bulletproof, let's face it it's only been a little over a month and people've done enough talk about Tha Carter III to last a year. So I figured I'd spare you guys...for now.

But what prompted this somewhat random topic you ask? Well you see, I was listening to Jay-Z's The Blueprint the other day and came across something interesting. In my iTunes notes for "Never Change," I have the writing credits listed as S. Carter and B. Miller. And for the record right now I only occasionally include writing credits for rap songs where someone other than the rapper/producer/sampled artist is involved, or it's a "produced by The Neptunes"-style thing where only either Pharrell Williams or Chad Hugo wrote it...but yes I am a music nerd with too much time on his hands. Anyway, I had noticed this before, but it only just now hit me -- you might know Brian "Allday" Miller as the guy listed as the second producer on Kanye's decidedly non-highlight song (it's cool though don't get me wrong) "Champion" off last year's Graduation. In some random SOHH article a while back (no I don't make a habit of reading that rag) 'Ye also admitted that Miller did Cam'ron's "Down and Out," where production and co-writing are solely credited to 'Ye. I suppose the B. Miller on "Never Change" could be a different Miller who wrote the David Ruffin sample the song uses but I kinda doubt it, though feel free to correct me if I totally missed something obvious.

The point of all this? Don't get me wrong, I'm not ignorant about the instrumental/co-writing/co-production/occasionally even (gasp!) ghost production work hip-hop producers get done for them, but this one did kinda fuck me up, if only because unlike the other two songs there's clear evidence in the liners themselves that imply that 'Ye contributed nothing to one of my favorite BP tracks. That's not the point either though. The burning question this late Sunday night is: To what extent is your favorite producer responsible for their own output? I'm not an industry insider or anything (though just you wait...) but I do read, errrr, stuff, so going by what I know let's have a look shall we.

Timbaland. After The Neptunes overtook him in popularity/eventually quality for a time (both through their improvement and his temporary slight creative rut) and Tim Mosley fell off the radar sometime around 2003 or 2004, he made his Nelly Furtado/Justin Timberlake 2006 comeback with the help of new production partner Nate "Danja" Hills (who I call by his production company name Danjahandz cuz that sounds cooler than just Danja,) who added a more overt synth-pop layer to his new work. Naturally this got Internet nerds in a frenzy about "OMG, Timbo's not doing his own work!" despite the fact that none of Danjahandz's solo beats except T.I.'s "Tell 'Em I Said That" (and even that sounds distinct, albeit with Timbaland influences) sound as great as his best work with Tim/Tim's best work before mentoring him.

The truth as far as I can tell? Well, Timbaland's more of a rhythmic/sound genius than a melodic genius. A lot of his most melodic and slightly more traditional productions (Missy Elliott's "Take Away," Justin Timberlake's "What Goes Around.../...Comes Around," his Middle Eastern-sampling tracks, others I'm sure) are either done with co-writers/co-producers or use samples. Tim's not a trained musician so it makes sense that he'd have keyboardists and other instrumentalists working with him who occasionally are credited as having co-writing/co-production input on certain tracks. At the same time, none of this implies that he's not coming up with the shit himself. What's telling is that out of Tim's collaborators past and present -- Danjahandz, Scott Storch on the first JT album, random dudes you haven't heard of like Hannon Lane, Nisan Stewart, Big Tank, Craig Brockman and Brian Kidd (last seen producing two shitty Rich Boy Timbo-knockoff tracks) -- only Danja has blown up (well OK, Storch used to be hot but let's just forget about that) and if you listen to his solo beats compared to those other guys he's the only one with the potential to eventually improve to Tim's level. You can always tell when Timbaland's involved -- the melody, keys and sound effects might be completely different depending on the track, but there's always an unmistakable, unique and infectious off-kilter sense of rhythm. Often of the stuttering or beatboxed variety. So the ghost production BS to me is just that, bullshit.

Dr. Dre. It seems to me like Timbaland's overtaken Dre in ghost production whining shenanigans lately, both because Dre has kinda sucked since going one for four on Jay-Z's Kingdom Come and because Timbaland's become the hottest pop producer on the planet (though Polow da Don might be coming for the number one spot this year...not that he deserves it, "Love in This Club" is OK, Nas's "Hero" is listenable but let's not pretend it's all that far ahead of that bullshit "Forever" Chris Brown single that's all over the radio.) But Dre's been dogged by ghost production allegations for a while now -- anyone from Daz Dillinger to Mel-Man, Scott Storch, Mike Elizondo, Ron Feemster, Mark Batson and Dawaun Parker (I trust you all check your liner notes and are familiar with each and every one of these guys) depending on what era you're talking about. So is it true? Is the supposed perfectionist really just a lazy motherfucker caking off other honest people's hard work?

Well, I think the complaints about Dre are more justified than those about Timbaland, mostly because the different phases of Dre's work are pretty distinct (Timbo's changed/evolved while retaining his trademark weirdo rhythmic sense as mentioned.) West Coast G-funk, futuristic spaced-out shit on 2001, loopy minimalist Eminem shit, more straightforward hard piano for 50 Cent/G-Unit. Like Timbo Dre's not a trained musician, and while he comes up with the drum beats for songs he's talked about his process before and it's basically jam sessions where he isolates individual session players/collaborators and refines/improves their sound. There's also the fact that on a lot of Dre's best mid/late-period songs guys like Storch, Elizondo and Mark Batson tend to have at least co-writing credits, if not co-production.

Once again though, through our infallible "are these guys as good without their evil exploiting producer?" logic we observe that none of these guys have blown up on their own except Scott Storch...and really now, what songs does Storch have that're that good? OK, I like "You Ain't Know" and "Make It Rain" even though they still can't fuck with the truly elite producers' best beats, but let's not forget the cornball bullshit he put out when he was hot ("Lean Back," "Naughty Girl," the double pandering 50 Cent threat "Candy Shop"/"Just a Lil' Bit.") Oh, and a couple lame Dre-lite knockoff tracks for The Game. As for Daz Dillinger, if you can't hear the difference between his beats on 2Pac's All Eyez on Me and Dre's work on The Chronic and Doggystyle I just feel sorry for your ears. Well OK "Skandalouz" is the smoothness, but still.

DJ Premier/Pete Rock/9th Wonder. I'm not equating/comparing any of these guys so don't get mad 9th haters. However these guys all share a true-school (or in 9th's case throwback) aesthetic -- namely, soul/jazz samples and boom-bap drum patterns. As far as I know they don't get any help (though I'm less familiar with Pete Rock outside of his best known stuff -- I know, blasphemy and I'll correct it soon,) but remember that they use samples. Don't get me wrong, I like Premo and Kanye West and Just Blaze are two of my favorite rap producers so this isn't a rockist "psssh...rap takes no talent dude!" deal, but you do have a melodic advantage when you're working with previously recorded material. So think of the ghosts of soul, jazz, hell probably blues music too's past as their co-writers. Hey, they're credited as 'em in the liner notes! Unless of course on the occasion these guys don't wanna pay for sampling...those crazy hip-hop kids...

Just Blaze. Same thing as far as I can tell, I just didn't group him with those guys cuz he's basically a more hard-hitting, amped the fuck up next-gen version of DJ Premier, but not entirely true school (being vague I know)/not traditional boom bap.

Kanye West. I was also gonna include Kanye with those guys except for the fact that he actually does have collaborators like I mentioned. We all know about Jon Brion's love-or-hate orchestral contributions to Late Registration, Toomp's work on "Good Life," "Can't Tell Me Nothing" and "Big Brother," as well as a bunch of other instrumentalists and producers under him especially on Graduation. However, I'll let Kanye's verse on "Barry Bonds" tell it: "I don't need writeers, I might bounce ideas/But only I could come up with some shit like this." I can't lie, it'd be cooler if 'Ye did his work by himself especially when you consider that he already uses samples as the base of his beats, but "Good Life" and "Can't Tell Me Nothing" have distinct elements compared to Toomp's solo work, and again there's the fact that none of his other collaborators have blown up on their own. Well I know Brion's supposed to be a real talented dude and obviously LR wouldn't have been possible musically without him, but I can't say I'm familiar with his pop work. I know, so ignorant.

Swizz Beatz. Seriously? You've heard "Ruff Ryders' Anthem," if you can't do that shit on your own you just plain suck. I'm being hard on Swizzy though, he's really stepped his game up in the last few years. He's not elite in my mind but he's nice with the singles, as "Bring Em Out"/"I'm a Hustla"/"Diamonds on My Neck"/"It's Me Bitches" can attest to. You can't really act like "Dr. Carter's" a stroke of Swizzgenius though when he just jacked a jazz sample for it. One of my favorite Carter III tracks (shit I broke the no Wayne rule here!,) just pointing that out.

The Neptunes. And finally, we get to the purest hip-hop producers of them all (not meant to be ironic, we're talking purity from the production ghosts my friend.) Pharrell Williams and Chad Hugo have never been dogged by ghost production accusations, at least not to my knowledge, and almost all their work consists of original compositions. If they were Scott Storch or Lil' Jon-style Top 40 hacks I wouldn't give a shit, but they're two of the most ingenious hip-hop producers ever, so I gotta give 'em props. I've tended toward Tim since his big comeback but now I'm still not always sure who I like better. What can I say, both two, I mean three really talented dudes. Anyway Pharrell has kinda diminished the Neptunes brand in the last couple years by producing a bunch of pale second-rate beats while still credited as "The Neptunes," even though in my mind he's more than redeemed himself with the great new N.E.R.D. album, his solo debut and to a lesser extent the Clipse's Hell Hath No Fury, but there's no fronting on these guys in their prime. Actually it makes sense that a production duo wouldn't need outside help, no? From their respective solo work (seriously, check Chad Hugo's work on Kenna's Make Sure They See My Face from last year, cinematic shit) it's clear that Pharrell is the synth-pop/funk/percussion half, and Chad Hugo's the nerdier, zapping outer-space synths sci-fi guy. At their peak I'm sure they fed off each other's good ideas.

Although, while his lazy recent work for anyone not named the Clipse, himself, or N.E.R.D. (which basically is just Pharrell now come to think of it...) might have you thinking otherwise, it might be a good thing that Pharrell and Hugo are working separately now. Out of the three songs on N.E.R.D.'s Seeing Sounds that involve both Neptunes only "Love Bomb" is great. "Anti Matter" might actually be the worst Neptunes beat in the last 1-2 years, which is saying something considering the massive shit Pharrell recently took on half of Madonna's album and Common's two new songs.

Anyway, I know this kind of turned into stanning for The Neptunes at the end (and just for the record Timbaland is still the man, this isn't fair-weather/"who's hot" shenanigans,) but if you managed to make it this far hopefully we all got some edumucation on what does and doesn't go on behind the dark, shady hip-hop scenes. Don't worry, your favorite producers really do their own work. They might just get a little help sometimes.

Oh, and props to Jeff Weiss over at Passion of the Weiss. I had a nice email chat with him about the "Never Change" Jay-Z deal and originally wasn't gonna make the topic a blog, but what can I say it was a thought-provoking exchange. Plus I needed something to write about. Besides the infallibility of Weezy F. Baby that is.

UPDATE: I'm an idiot, the song 'Ye sampled for "Never Change" is in fact written by a different B. Miller, Bobby Miller actually. And it took me about five seconds on Google to just find that out. Ah well, I did get a post out of it and it's good to know the beat was his own work.